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Ski-Doo Rebuildable Shocks

Question:

How come you guys (and other mags) don’t get on Doo’s case more about their lack of rebuildable shocks?

I have to get an X or a XRS to get rebuildables (way too much money when an adrenaline or Blizzard with rebuildable shocks will do). Every other OEM has rebuildable shocks way down the line.

I owned a 2003 Rev8 adrenaline (with rebuildable shocks)…and loved it. I wanted to get a 2006 Renegade but to get rebuildable shocks I would have had to spend $2000 more (for an X) than the regular Xfire7 that I did purchase.

I have no regrets (love the Xfire too), but want Doo to be an option for my next sled and I don’t see it if I have to spend so much more to get rebuildable shocks.

Kerry L. Johnson

Response:

Thanks for your email!

Your issue is one which affects a relatively small number of owners but, as you have so clearly stated, is important to those riders who know the difference. I am forwarding your comment on to Ski-Doo so they’ll know how you feel and how it affected your purchase decision.

Thanks,

Motorhead Mark

Reply:

I’m not trying to argue, but it appears to me that this issue affects pretty much every Doo owner (or prospective owner) who doesn’t own (or want) an X or XRS.

The possible fact that those who don’t own Xs and XRSs don’t care is another matter. It appears to me that Doo is selectively de-contenting their line-up where they can because they are No. 1 by a pretty good margin from what I hear (I believe the latest Xs have steel rebuildables with no piggybacks instead of aluminum rebuildables with piggybacks on previous year Xs) .

Anyways, they have every right to offer whatever they want and I guess the people will decide. I’m just disappointed because I’d love to have a Blizzard with rebuildable shocks……Oh well, thanks for your response.

Kerry L. Johnson

Response:

Hey Kerry,

I won’t argue with you. Here’s the deal, most consumers don’t know when their shocks need re-building – it’s true. Ski-Doo has likely concluded the hardcore, more aware owner will buy the higher performance model – the XRS – because they do know the diff.

For someone like yourself, I can understand what you’re after. Unfortunately, we do not dictate to the OE’s what they should offer. Actually you do – you vote with your wallet!

Good luck!

Thanks,

Mark

MX-Z XRS Comments Regarding First Impression

Comments:

Your review of the XRS refers to how close it is to the race model. When I saw it, the chassis was basically the same as the X.

I believe it had extra stiffeners by your feet but it was not the same tunnel with braces that the racer has.

It may have the racing shocks/calibration but without the chassis it seems a bit phony to me….like all racer replicas have been.

Kerry L. Johnson

Response:

Thanks for your email!

Wow, the XRS sure has created a lot of controversy since we first saw and rode it last January as a pre-production proto.

Yes, in the very first iteration SD used what we call a “Roller” chassis – essentially the platform used by race teams for building an Open Mod Sno-X sled.

The Roller had an 800 Powertek underhood and the graphics, colors and hood you see today on the production version.

It would seem SD decided to scale back a few chassis details when they pushed the big button on the side of factory to begin building the models you see at dealers right now. We’ve ridden our XRS almost 200 miles in early December.

Do the changes make a difference to the way the sled works? Nope, not that we could tell. AJ Lester, who wrote the story in the current issue of Supertrax has sampled the XRS and gives it a hearty thumbs up.

However, if you were buying the sled to go racing for a year (and you could only race the 600 under ISR rules) you might want to add the missing tunnel and bulkhead braces. This advice would only apply to a Pro level racer – for a casual Sport class rider the chassis is more than adequate.

The rest of the stuff on the sled is pretty much racer grade equipment except for one issue which disappointed us here – the aluminum throttle block was replaced with a plastic piece – not good.

That’s how it goes in the world of prototype evaluations. Sometimes things change – actually, more often than not, things do change before production.

Thanks,

Motorhead Mark

SUPERTRAX IS IN THE MAIL!

Volume 18, Number 3 of snowmobiling’s most read, most widely circulated magazine!

Grab the latest copy of SUPERTRAX – landing in mailboxes and on newsstands very soon!

This issue features a 7-sled shootout between the 1000cc, 170hp rockets. Plus, check out the first picks of the Scarab – the latest offshore offering!

Also, take a rewind to the days of John Deere and read about new tech 2-strokes – light, clean, efficient.

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CSRA: Sault St. Marie Recap

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By: Thayne Hallyburton

The race weekend started off with the X Games final Saturday afternoon and it was one for the ages.

The holeshot went to Mike Island on the Bourque Auto/Royal Distributing Polaris. Island Mike went down at the end of the first lap after tripling a very tricky section of the course which handed the lead off to Joey Sagan who’d remain out front for the next seven laps.

Mike VanDolder and Peter Raymer were right on him coming back down the hill and on lap 8 Joey found himself in 3rd place. In the last corner Raymer tried to block VanDolder’s pass attempt and found himself on his lid, letting VanDolder take the checkers in first.

The final order of finish:
1 – #999 MICHAEL VANDOLDER ANNAN ON SKI-DOO
2 – #098 MIKE ISLAND BARRIE ON POLARIS
3 – #202 JOEY SAGAN ELMVALE ON SKI-DOO
4 – #036 PETER RAYMER KESWICK ON ARCTIC
5 – #712 TANNER ROSKO KIRKLAND LAKE ON SKI-DOO

In Pro Stock VanDolder would take it home. Peter Raymer was right there in second and the unflappable Mike Island would round out the podium. Lee Butler came in fourth, but was racing awesome all weekend. After an off in a heat on Saturday that saw him fly over a berm, he had a great Sunday. One of the Michigan racers, Josh Zelinski rounded out the top 5 with a good race.

The final order of finish:

1 – #999 MICHAEL VANDOLDER ANNAN ON SKI-DOO
2 – #036 PETER RAYMER KESWICK ON ARCTIC
3 – #098 MIKE ISLAND BARRIE ON POLARIS
4 – #073 LEE BUTLER STOUFFVILLE ON SKI-DOO
5 – #079 JOSHUA ZELINSKI EAST LANSING MI SKI-DOO

In the last race of the day Joey Sagan again got the holeshot but Mike Island had something to prove and was right on him at the top of the hill with Raymer and VanDolder not far behind. Island overtook Sagan on the first lap and began to check out but the real battle heated up for second with Raymer, Sagan and VanDolder again all batting one another.

Raymer would overtake Sagan on the third last lap and that’s how they’d finish. VanDolder grabbed fourth and 43 year old Ric Wilson rounded out the top 5.

The final order of finish:

1 – #098 MIKE ISLAND BARRIE ON POLARIS
2 – #036 PETER RAYMER KESWICK ON ARCTIC
3 – #202 JOEY SAGAN ELMVALE ON SKIDOO
4 – #999 MICHAEL VANDOLDER ANNAN ON SKIDOO
5 – #004 C RIC WILSON HILLSBURGH ON SKIDOO

Semi-Pro racing saw lots of action all weekend with some impressive heats and finals. The semi-pro finals though were dominated with Michigan racers who will not be joining the CSRA regularly all year. The final results in stock and mod are posted below.

Congrats to Jeremy VanDolder, winning the open modified race on his Parnell Motorsports Ski-Doo in his inaugural semi-pro weekend.

440 Stock results:

1 – #101 KIP RUTLEDGE ALANSON MI ARCTIC
2 – #524 ANDY ZARKOVICH DEWITT MI SKIDOO
3 – #023 JONATHON SLOOT GUELPH ON SKIDOO
4 – #128 JAMES HICKS CEDARVILLE MI ARCTIC
5 – #075 RICK TIEDE KAWKAWLIN BC POLARIS

600 Open Mod results:
1 – #333 JEREMY VAN DOLDER ANNAN ON SKIDOO
2 – #355 JEAN-PAUL PRICE SAULT STE MARIE ON SKIDOO
3 – #128 JAMES HICKS CEDARVILLE MI ARCTIC
4 – #045 COLT PICKLES NOBEL ON SKIDOO
5 – #889 TREVOR BURROUGHS GAYLORD MI SKIDOO

There was tons of snow and Sault St. Marie’s Searchmont Resort made a stellar track. There were many riders from the Michigan area that came up and tried their hand at beating the CSRA regulars.

All in all it was a fantastic weekend. See you guys in Owen Sound and remember, keep the rubber side down!

Could Arctic Cat Have More to Show in ’08?

After an amazing 2007 Twin Spar introduction, could the TRF brain trust have more to show in model year 2008?

While it’s unlikely Cat will offer another new model introduction the magnitude of 2007, we do expect detail refinements and possibly some new engine tech to surface on 2008 models.

Clearly, AC is getting traction on EPA 2-stroke certification with its new 1000 twin, its knock sensor equipped 800 and EFI II equipped 600. However, we suspect another 4-stroke, possibly a variant of the already potent Jaguar twin, is a possibility.

Arctic Cat has had amazing success with turbocharging the venerable 660 triple and consumers are very comfortable with turbo technology. The all-new Suzuki 4-stroke in the Jaguar uses a bottom end stout enough to handle some extra boost. Hmm, wouldn’t a Turbo Jag Z-1 be sweet?

Let’s do the math here. The 660 4-stroke triple without a turbo produces about 65 ponies. With 23 pounds of boost it delivers 110 stallions. If we take this kind of turbo-leap, about 65 percent, and apply it to the Z- 1’s 125 HP you get, ahh, over 200 HP.

Exhaust Temperature Gauges from Westach

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If you’ve been fine tuning your sled for maximum power, you probably need to invest in a set of exhaust temperature gauges before you burn down those expensive cylinders.

Contact Westach at 707-938-2121 and visit www.westach.com

Power Tek SD 800 Question

Question:

Hi there Supertax team!

Let me first congratulate your team for the high quality information you provide us with the different subjects that you treat in your magazine.

I have a question about some technical data that your technician –specialist might have in files. I would like to know what is the difference with the 800 HO power tek version 2007 vs the 2005-2006.

We’ve heard that the piston rods have been forged for more durability and also that some modifications has been made to the carburetion and-or the mapping to correct the minor issues they’ve experienced with the previous 20005-06 version.

Thanks for your collaboration and have a great holiday!!!

Thanks for your question regarding Ski-Doo’s Power Tek 800 Series III Twin.

I solicited the Brain Trust at Ski-Doo for an answer to this one and as you can see below, you’ve got it from the right guy. Thanks to Steve Cowing at Ski-Doo fro getting the details on this question for an avid Supertrax reader – Motorhead Mark

Response:

The midrange is approx 10% richer via a new jet needle and ECM calibration. This improves acceleration in the midrange or makes the throttle acceleration snappier from corner to corner. It rocks!

Improvements were made to the routing of the TPS wiring harness to ensure a reliable connection and no chafing damage.The rod’s are forged as they have been, no real change there.

Thanks,

Steve Cowing
Competition and Media Relations Manager

Skywords Network Teams Up with OFSC

Press Release –

The Skywords Network is pleased to announce the launch of the Sledder’s Choice Go Snowmobiling Report across much of Central and Northeastern Ontario.

Made possible through a new collaboration with the Ontario Federation of Snowmobile Clubs (OFSC), the Sledder’s Choice Go Snowmobiling Report is sponsored by the Sledder’s Choice Group Insurance Program from Believer Plus Insurance Brokers Ltd., underwritten by the Royal & Sun Alliance Insurance Company of Canada.

“The Sledder’s Choice Go Snowmobiling Report is an exciting new feature here at Skywords. This program will provide the most comprehensive, up-todate snowmobile trail information in the country, and we are working hard to ensure the report’s accuracy and quality through our new relationship with the OFSC, and its districts and clubs.” said Ed Torres, General Manager, Skywords.

The Sledder’s Choice Go Snowmobiling Report will commence broadcasting on December 18th, 2006 across the Haliburton Broadcasting Group Moose FM stations, as well a number of other station affiliates. Its “Go Snowmobiling” message will help promote safe, recreational family snowmobiling and invite new participants to experience winter fun on OFSC trails.

“The OFSC is pleased to cooperate with Skywords to bring snowmobilers more information about our trails and clubs and to introduce more people to snowmobiling,” said OFSC Trail Programs Manager Mike Farr. “But riders must always take personal responsibility to be prepared for the unexpected, because conditions can change suddenly and unpredictably.”

Invitation from OFSC President Bruce Robinson

Dear Industry Stakeholder:

Many changes have occurred in snowmobiling over the past decade that are impacting our future as an industry.

While some of these ongoing transformations are beyond our direct control, we do have the ability to influence their outcomes and control our own destiny through strategic thinking, progressive planning and coordinated action.

As a non-profit association, the OFSC is committed to sustaining and growing organized snowmobiling in Ontario and to the overall long-term health and betterment of the snowmobiling industry.

As the new OFSC President, my priority is to renew and reenergize organized snowmobiling into a strong TEAM OFSC to help lead our industry through these difficult times. Thus, we have embarked on a major, flagship initiative called “GO Snowmobiling” — the theme that will be our mantra and rallying cry for the foreseeable future.

One important element of GO Snowmobiling is our recent participation with the Sledder’s Choice Group Insurance Program, which is making snowmobiling more affordable for many OFSC riders.

Another is our new alliance with Skywords (see attached release). By broadcasting snowmobiling info and trail condition reports on mainstream radio throughout the winter, the OFSC is promoting GO Snowmobiling to many new prospects and repositioning sledding as a family-friendly activity.

Our new OFSC Go Snowmobiling Show is one more example of how the OFSC is thinking outside the box to revitalize our industry. In keeping with our GO Snowmobiling theme, the new show’s purposes are:

* To grow participation in organized snowmobiling.
* To attract new consumers and provide a new market for our industry.
* To financially support the OFSC trails that cornerstone our industry.
* To help ensure a strong future for the snowmobiling industry.

The OFSC believes that our new OFSC Go Snowmobiling Show meets an unfulfilled need for an upscale, family-based, recreational and tourism event. The OFSC Go Snowmobiling Show appeals directly to individuals and families looking for both an introduction and an invitation to the incomparable winter experience that snowmobiling truly is.

I know that word of our new show is causing some concern among certain stakeholders, especially those who do not understand or accept what we are trying to accomplish. I know that joining with the OFSC on this new venture requires a certain leap of faith. But I also know that, if we continue with the same old-same old status quo, we cannot successfully manage the major changes we face as an industry or lead it to a better, more prosperous future.

You be the judge. Will Sledder’s Choice and the Skywords reports help grow our industry? Who else is taking such a proactive lead for improvement? So I invite you to share the big picture view of our industry by joining TEAM OFSC — the home team for organized snowmobiling in Ontario.

By supporting and attending our new OFSC Go Snowmobiling Show, you are stepping up to the plate for the long-term growth and prosperity of the snowmobiling industry, and for a more certain future for all stakeholders. Believe me, this is just the beginning of what the OFSC can achieve for our industry with GO Snowmobiling — and with your active participation! Thank you for your consideration and cooperation.

Yours truly,

Bruce Robinson
OFSC President

Ethanol Concerns

Question:

Hi Guys from southern Manitoba! We need more snow here, right now about 4.5 inches.

I found out some information this past spring form our local Esso bulk dealer after I blew a piston in my 92 EXT SPEC… All of our gas, they told us, sold here in Manitoba by every fuel company has up to 12% ethanol in it!

Last winter I noticed that my 91EXT 530 and that 92EXt Spec. spark plugs were burning a nice chocolate brown colour or a tad lighter!

You and everybody else would say that is great, but before this they were dark brown to black and still performed great!! My 91 530 really likes this fuel! I am a bit scared!

I’ve been checking my tops of the pistons and plugs and things are looking good, just to the fact that the plugs are looking this chocolate brown colour! ESSO also told me that some of the other gas companies’ gas can range from anywhere from 0% to 12% ethanol, NO CONSISTENCY!

I also have a mint 80 JD Liquifire and on all 3 of them I have raised the needles up 1 notch and on the Cat’s I have jetted up from 310’s to 320’s. I would like to know if any one has ever informed you about this, if this is everywhere in Canada, why the government does not inform us about this on the gas pumps, and what our fellow snowmobilers should do about preserving and looking after our sleds from ancient to the late 90’s and early 2000’s?

Your help would be appreciated! The guys at RV SPORTS in TRF have told me that at some gas pumps in the US you can still buy unleaded gas with no ethanol! Thank – YOU!

PS: Esso also told me that 2-3 years from now our gas will be 30%, what will we do then? Should we now use some blend of race gas or an additive like Torqo?

Eldon

Response:

Eldon:

I don’t blame you for being worried; the price of pistons isn’t getting any cheaper! There’s nothing much we snowmobilers can do about increased ethanol use except to take the steps you’ve already taken ie: upjetting and adjusting the needle to make the air-fuel mixture a bit richer.

We’ve found that up to 12 percent ethanol won’t bother most EFI or electronically controlled 2-strokes and certainly not any 4-strokes. If you have an older sled and have been tuning it for more power with new jetting specs or the addition of an aftermarket pipe, I’d certainly suggest re-jetting immediately. You’ve been wise to keep your eye on the plugs and the top of those pistons.

As for race gas, it is very expensive and will only increase the octane level so you can jet leaner. Make a mistake once, add pump gas and you’ll seize. Not worth it.

Fortunately, these ethanol quotas don’t apply to every province and state. Ethanol levels are supposed to be posted on the pumps in the areas they apply. Good luck.

Kent Lester