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The Hardcore Snowmobiler Award Goes To…

This is the type of guy that reads Supertrax!

I’m a die-hard snowmobiler and logged 2,100 miles in 5.5 days. I left Wausau, WI alone at 2 pm on Sunday, March 4th on my 2007 Crossfire 1000 Sno Pro.

I tried to get some friends to go too, but they all thought I was nuts. It doesn’t bother me being alone on a ride because you don’t have to keep looking back.

I made it to Watermeet, MI on Sunday night and then on Monday rode to St. Ignace. Tuesday I rode into Ontario across the Ice Bridge north of Drummond Island and stayed at the Hilton Bay at St. Joseph Island.

Wednesday I left for Wawa, Ontario and stopped halfway for fuel at about $8.50/gallon. I left Wawa on Thursday and drove around through Chapleau ending up in Bruce Mines Ontario, and then headed for home as the weather was supposed to warm up over the weekend.

My sled never had a chance to cool off except for fuel stops and a sip of soda. I logged 634 miles on my last day after 25 hours of continuous riding and never had a problem with my Cat.

I have regular flashes of my experience on that trip and found out a lot about myself and my sled. I’ll do this trip again and again as long as there’s snow and anyone interested in joining me is more than welcome.

I’ve always gone on my own endurance runs, but this one puts the icing on the cake.

Marv Lenzner

Looking at a Renegade or Switchback

Question:

I have a 2004 Ski Doo MXZ-x 600SDI. I am looking at a Ski Doo Renegade 600 or 800R and Polaris Switchback 600 or 700 looking at Renegade X and Switcback Dragon which sled will perform better on trails in bumps, and off trail and overall handling .

I like the way my ’04 handles but Polaris has just come out with this strong engine in 600 125 CFI and all new 136 skid which is better all around sled?

Polaris seems to be a little better value in price and 3 year bumper to bumper warranty but will I be sorry I didn’t stay with Rev xp new lighter sled with same 600SDI??

The 600 SDI seems to be bullet proof but wish it had a little more power now 800R is better gas mileage than 600SDI

Gary Durand

Response:

First, remember this – we said the new 2008 800R XP Rev with a 120 inch track was better on fuel than a 2007 Rev 600 SDI. We fully expect – but have not verified – the new XP chassis with a 600 SDI will be even better on fuel than the 800 R XP and much better than the already excellent economy of the current Rev 600 SDI. Got it?

Okay, your question is largely un-answerable because of things like price and dealer support. Both the new XP 137 Renegade and the 136 IQ either in X or Dragon trim – are excellent sleds.

If you’re talking this year (2007) the performance of the Polaris 600 CFI mill is without any question – superior to any other 600 – and not by a small margin. The 600 CFI will run with most 700’s and some 800’s. It is the benchmark in the 600 class in MY 07. Will an 08 XP 600 SDI be faster than an IQ 600 CFI? Dunno.

We just returned from Snow Shoot and rode all the new iron. Unfortunately, it was at 10,000 ft and performance on all the sleds was very poor as a result. We do know the new XP drive-line provides dramatically improved efficiency in the transfer of power.

However, the 600 SDI mill is essentially the same engine as it has been since ’04. Ski-Doo didn’t make any claims of an HP increase for ’08 in the XP. As far as ride and handling the XP is amazing but many of the experienced staff here at Supertrax are sold on the IQ’s variable castor IFS. Both sleds ride very well. The Ski-Doo is all-new and the IQ 600 will be in its third year of production.

Here’s what you might want to do. Ask yourself about the deal and the dealer because you can’t go wrong with either brand this year.

Motorhead Mark

Venture Lite Setup

Question:

I have a 2007 Venture Lite, it weighs 280lbs and cannot find a suitable set up!!

The 2008 apparently has 1.5 iches of less front end spring travel…apparently Yamaha learned that this sled has a handling problem. can you offer any thoughts?

Thanks,

Curt

Response:

Curt:

We’ve really enjoyed our 2007 Venture Lite press sled this year and have put over 1500 miles on it, using it as a both a 2-passenger sled and a single ride, too. We were, frankly, a little surprised at how much better this sled turned out to be than we anticipated.

Toward the end of the season we did notice the steering was getting a little vague and responded with more aggressive carbide runners. This solved the problem for us, but considering the fact you weigh 280, it sounds like you have a weight bias problem with the sled (weight is placed too far back on the chassis) especially if you’re carrying a passenger.

Normally this wouldn’t be a problem as 2-uppers tend to have the weight of a rider and passenger moved over center to the rear of the sled rather than in the middle of it.

I like your idea about updating the front springs to ‘08 calibration but you may be able to get more front end cornering bite by simply winding off some of the preload on the skidframe’s front shock.

This will put more pressure on the skis and, in combo with new runners, might solve the problem for you.

Kent Lester

Tri-Fold Canada Super Tonneau

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Tri-Fold Canada introduces an innovative tonneau cover for pickup trucks.

Its lightweight design allows you toinstall or remove the cover in under three minutes using four under mount hand clamps.

Adds security while improving your truck’s appearance and gas mileage.

A lifetime warrantyon the frameand seven years on the cover means this product is built for the long haul.

Unfortunately Tri-Fold’s website is not up and running yet, but call Linda at 1-866-540-4542 and she’ll happily answer your questions.

Steadymate Tiedown System

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Don’t you just hate it when sleds fall off your trailer? There’s way too many low quality tiedown straps on the market these days. We won’t say where they’re built, but it’s a long boat ride from Duluth.

Here’s a tip. Check out these super high quality tie straps from Kinedyne Steadymate. These are some of the toughest straps we’ve seen in decades.

Visit steadymate.com.

1000 Miles on the 2008 Ski-Doo REV XP 800R

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Exclusive By: Motorhead Mark Lester

Supertrax is privileged to have a limited build XP 800R here and we’ve racked more than 1000 miles (1600 kms) in just over 10 days on the unit.

When we first laid eyes on the XP in Grand Lake in late January we had concerns. There was so much new and the weight claims were so radical we wondered if the sled would be as good as the current REV. We were particularly concerned about the extreme light weight upsetting handling – creating a one-ski cornering attitude.

We shouldn’t have been concerned at all – the whiz kids in Valcourt didn’t just chop weight – they lowered the over-all CG of the sled by one full inch. That’s a lot in today’s world of already low CG snowmobiles. You can feel the inherent stability in the XP the first time to line up a trail and pull the trigger.

The XP corners flat – throttle on or off. In fact, the sled loves to be pitched into turns dragging the brake and “backing-in”. Even with the throttle chopped – waiting for the turn’s apex to get back on it – the sled tail slides even and flat. When the apex is cleared the XP hooks up like a cat on a screen door.

Here’s an interesting twist. We fiddled with the coupling moment by spinning the blocks one klick narrower to allow less (rear-to-front) coupling. Wowa! The sled wheelies with amazing precision but with the couplers loosened up – just that tiny bit – we could pull – this is not an exaggeration – 100 MPH (160 kmh) wheelies down Kevlar Lake. True. The front end would come up and just stay there. Talk about a rush!

Obviously this isn’t the best way to maintain control on trails so after impressing the troops we dialed the couplers back to the fat side.

The limited build XP’s – there are only a handful on the ground – are all over damped and over sprung in the rear end (that was why we dialed in less coupling). We’ve been assured by everyone involved in the XP project the production units will not be this stiff.

There’s also a measure of high frequency vibes in the bars -they’re aluminum – and that too is being dealt with. The reports of side panels flying open at high speed are true but again, the panels have already been redesigned for full production. None of these issues will be present by the time the assembly line rolls-out the full build. We’ll verify all these details in Supertrax.

Okay, get this. The 800R absolutely tows the Series III 800 Power Tek down the lake. In fact, the 800R pulls the 1000 Cat, the Apex 1000 and just about anything else we’ve come up against save a Mach 1 SDI.

The power here is abundant but when it’s pushed into a chassis that’s this light in overall weight and light in its drive-line componentry, the power that’s available gets to the snow in abundance.

The sled feels so small when you’re seated yet it rips with such authority. The only thing we can equate it to is a new Phazer with a 150 plus HP mill. Except the XP is lighter than the Phazer. Go figure.

The XP in over 1000 miles has carded the highest fuel economy numbers of any sled in our fleet this year including the former champ, the 600 SDI REV, and all the 4 strokes we’ve tested. Even before the five hour ECU calibrated “protection period” for break-in had expired the sled was sipping fuel.

This season has not produced snow surfaces conducive to great MPG numbers but despite this the XP easily gets 20-30% better mileage than the current Power Tek 800 and gets about 5% better economy than the thrifty 600 SDI Rotax. In fairness we haven’t compared the XP to the 1000cc triple cylinder Yamaha Vector.

Comfort issues are hard to quantify on the XP as a result of the near useless windshield on our limited build. We’ve had intense cold here at the Cave since we received the sled and it’s brutal to ride at the speeds the XP is capable of with this windscreen. By the way, we’ve regularly carded 112-115 MPH with the sled.

The new ergos are a great fit for just about everyone. Some have expressed concern over the drop-off at the front of the seat. Yep, you can’t help but wonder if the boys might get hung out. Doesn’t happen. Pretty much everyone appreciates the comfortable and, more importantly, flexible ergonomics the new XP platform presents.

We don’t know of anyone else who has logged this kind of mileage on the REV XP – outside of BRP employees. At this writing – and we’ve got way more to say in Supertrax this fall – we think this is the better REV the market has been either waiting for or fearing.

600 SDI vs 800R

Question:

Hi Mark,

Was horsepower increased on the 600 SDI for 2008? Which motor would you prefer the 600 SDI or the 800R.

Thanks,

Greg Horning

Response:

Howdy!

The 600 SDI mill is the essentially the same as in 2007 – about 120 HP. However, look for performance increases in the XP chassis.

There are tangible improvements in driveline efficiencies which we have experienced with our limited-build 800R.

The secondary pulley alone delivers as much as five more HP to the track at high speeds. Interesting.

Thanks,

Motorhead Mark

Question:

Thanks mark for replying. Would you perfer the 600 SDI or the 800R?

Greg

Response:

Not a fair question! How much power do you need?

The 800R is wicked fast in the XP. However, comparing the mpg to a 2007 800 Series III Rev the XP 800R gets more than 20% better mileage.

In fact, the 800R XP scored about 2-5% better mpg – every time – better than a
2007 600 SDI Rev Renegade.

Hope this helps.

Motorhead Mark

Lighter Better If Not At The Expense of Range

In regards to Ski-Doo possibly entering the 4 stroke arena with a 120 hp class motor in the XP chassis, I truly believe a statement made by SUPERTRAX two short years ago about Yamaha is very true, “…a sleeping giant is waking up.”

If Ski-Doo decides to counter the new Nytro with a 4-stroke of its own we will have a techno assault by Yamaha that could cause so much damage to the rest of the industry.

I’ve heard that the manufacturers sit down behind closed doors and hash out this type of thing before a loose cannon throws the industry off balance. Is this true?

Also, if you visited the “Totally Yamaha” website and looked up the FX Nytro chat you’d find a thread discussing the need for a larger gas tank. As you folks say “light is right” but not at the expense of range and the public is responding to Yamaha offering the Nytro with a 7 gal tank.

It is just plain wrong to compromise range for a lower advertised wet weight. We who buy the big iron don’t give a fiddlers foot about the extra savings the mpg’s offer we drool over extended range. Let’s break the 200 mile per tank thing.

Manufacturers should be using effective range as a selling point. If you want to lighten up on Kevlar Lake, dump in a couple gallons, if you want to jump in the sand pits don’t fill it. These sleds are going to be mile chasers first and foremost.

Lastly, I just reread the Motorhead column from SUPERTRAX Volume 18, #3 regarding the Lester Family’s racing endeavors over the past decade and was absolutely moved!

I raise my glass to the Lesters for experiencing as a family what they did. Mark, you sir are a credit to our sport and to fatherhood. Thank you for sharing this with you readers and thanks for your contributions to our sport and for a great magazine.

Sincerely,

Eric Maki

Eric,

Your assertion Yamaha might fight back and injure the industry is intriguing. I think all the OEMs are very capable sled builders and innovators. At this point in time some are demonstrating capabilities better than others. However, not even Yamaha could take two of them out, if provoked.

Remember when Yamaha didn’t build anything anybody wanted for over a decade and fell to less than 10% of total market? Yes, they’re on a roll and it is on the strength of good, maybe even great, products.

The new Nytro is the best 4-stroke snowmobile offering so far in this biz. All the OEMs have very impressive products right now – in particular Ski-Doo’s XP. However, the IQ Polaris platform is only the thin edge of a re-born Polaris wedge -intent on gaining back its leadership.

Arctic Cat has more up its sleeve and is fiercely proud of its role in this industry. It’s going to be a great few years as we head for the second decade of the new century.

I agree with your assertions on the Nytro’s fuel range. However, we do need to wait and see how good the mileage is. Even if it’s better than anything so far – and I doubt that will be true – it still will be a 100 mile (160 K) sled.

I look for the Nytro at 135 HP to be about a 18 -20 mpg ride. We’ll see.

Thanks for your kind comments regarding my family. They were appreciated by me, Barb, Luke and AJ.

Sincerely,

Motorhead Mark Lester

600RR BRINGS RACE TRACK DOMINANCE TO THE TRAIL

Press Release –

Building upon a legacy of industry leading suspension technology and simply the best ride and handling in the business, Polaris recently introduced an IQ Racer for the aggressive trail rider.

The new 2008 600RR (Race Replica) is a true IQ race chassis and suspension and features the class leading 600HO, 120HP Liberty twin, oil injection, 9-gallon fuel tank, 1.25” RipSaw track, and trail calibrated suspension settings.

Available in limited quantities, the 600RR will deliver our winning heritage to our most demanding customers.

For more information on the 600RR and the complete 2008 Polaris line-up visit www.polarisindustries.com/snow2008 or see your local Polaris Dealer, but you better hurry, Snow Check ends April 15, 2007.

Bunke Wins Top Two USCC Titles aboard Polaris IQ

Press Release –

Polaris cross-country snowmobile racer Gabe Bunke used the power, handling and reliability of the Polaris IQ® chassis to post incredibly consistent finishes and win the United States Cross-Country (USCC) Pro Open and Pro 600 points titles for 2006-2007.

STRONG FINISHES SECURE THE PRO OPEN TITLE

Bunke was “Mr. Podium” in the Pro Open class, where he never finished outside the top three. In six USCC Pro Open races, he won twice on his IQ Polaris, took second three times and finished third once. No racer could match his consistency nor the performance of his race-prepped Polaris Liberty™ engine.

In winning the Pro Open title, Bunke he earned 403 points, 52 more than the runner-up in the class. Only three racers cracked the 300-point mark as Bunke ran away with the points title.

CONSISTENCY, RELIABILITY EARN THE PRO 600 CROWN

To win the Pro 600 points title, Bunke again used consistently strong finishes on his Polaris IQ 600. He finished second in five of seven races and he had only one DNF (Did Not Finish). DNFs are not uncommon on the grueling cross-country circuit but leave a racer with no points for the event.

In the season finale in Munising, Michigan, Bunke knew he needed to finish fifth or better to secure the Pro 600 points title and the Moorhead, Minnesota, racer finished fourth to become a double champion for 2006-2007.

POLARIS RACERS WIN TWO MORE TITLES

Two other Polaris racers who won USCC season points titles were Paul Anderson of Lewiston, Minnesota, in the Legends 50+ class, and Spencer Wrightsman of Roseau, Minnesota, in the Amateur Open class.