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2009 Dragon 800SP Question

Question:

Dear Motorhead:

I just pre ordered a 2009 800 Dragon SP. What kind of mileage can I expect after break-in on hard packed trails?

I’ve read what Supertrax has written on the 800 Dragons and can’t wait to get on the beast.

keep up the great work!

Andrew legge

Response:

Thanks for your email!

Unfortunately we have still not received our 800 IQ here and the chances of us getting a decent pull to evaluate mileage now are slim.

Having said this, I have been on 800’s three times so far this season and have been very impressed with the mill. However, I was unable to truly quantify mpg on these rides.

I would expect the SP to get better than 15 mpg on most pulls and possibly as high as 17 on controlled rides.

We suspect the 800 CFI mill is actually better on fuel than the 700 – which is now only used in one mountain model for MY 09.

Hope this helps.

Motorhead Mark

Ski-Doo XP 800R X vs Polaris Dragon 800 SP

Question:

Dear Motorhead,

I was hoping you could help me decide between a XP 800R X and the Dragon 800 SP. I ride 60% trail and 40% ditch riding and like to pound drifts and do a little jumping (usually into some soft snow). Which suspension/chassis is better for ditch riding/jumping and handling?

Which engine is better? I’ve heard the SP is the strongest 800 and has less vibration. I have also heard that the XP is really quick but hits a wall at 100 mph and therefore isn’t all that fast

I also wanted to know about any updates to the Doo. I understand the driveshaft problems were vendor related and should be fixed for 09. I also heard the ride in 08 was over sprung and over damped but the 09 suspension is recalibrated and uses a new rear arm. I also heard the X seat foam that gets sacked out, leaving you to ride the tank, is being changed to adrenaline foam.

How does the 09 XP suspension compare to 08 and the 09 Dragon SP?

Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Kerry Johnson

Response:

Thanks for your email!

I recognize your name and I think we’ve talked before. Your question is being asked by a thousand snowmobilers – right now – and is one of the biggees for this season.

The SD XP-X 800 has been improved. It now rides well and has a new seat foam bun – not the Adrenaline seat.

The drive shaft issue is covered and the adjustability of the X package shocks will allow owners to dial in more or less compression damping from a much softer baseline. The sled rides good now.

The XP 800 is light, aggressive and handles very flat. it jumps somewhat differently than anything we’ve ridden. You are way far forward. However, the sled is a great trail carver. Again, it is light and nothing comes close to its low weight.

The engine is carbed and very edgy – somewhat rough – and has a heavy throttle pull. However, it is good on fuel. The sled will pull big top end numbers – we did not experience any “nosing over” at the C-note. In fact the sled finger walks pretty hard past 110.

The new SP is the best IQ Polaris has built. The engine is smooth, unrepentantly fast – particularly at the big end and is reasonably fuel efficient. It is SDI so it is very smooth and has a light throttle pull. Top end is wild.

The new SP skid is incredible when jumping – in particular when jumping big. The sled rides way plush on trails but can withstand huge landings – without bumping preload. It’s almost strange the way it works.

The new A-frames and sway bar provide exceptionally flat handling however not quite as flat as the XP but just as predictable. What we mean is the XP has little or no inside ski-lift but the SP gives lots of warning and latitude to compensate when it does. If you like the way an IQ handles now – you’ll like the SP better.

From a reliability perspective we have to say our Polaris sleds were the best among all the rides we had in our PR fleet this year. We have had virtually no problems whatsoever with Polaris units (we have four of them) and would feel safe in saying they have really improved in this area in MY 08.

This is a hard call and I can tell you, our guys are pretty evenly split around here on which chassis they like best. Having said that, you are definitely comparing the two we would compare if we were spending our own money on an 800 ditch rocket.

How about this – we don’t think you can go wrong.

Hope this helps!

Motorhead Mark

SDI or DI?

Question:

Dear Motorhead,

I’m in the process of snow checking a polaris 2009 600 IQ. In Supertrax I read about the new technology Ski-Doo has with E-tec engine.

My Question is will the Polaris engine be somewhat close on fuel mileage as the Ski-Doo?

Robert

Response:

Thanks for your email!

Your question is very interesting. The CFI system used on the Polaris Liberty 600 engine is closely comparable to the SDI system used by BRP on Ski-Doo’s the past four years. They both inject fuel just outside the cylinder wall (and in the CF into the crankcase as well). 

The E-Tec is the first direct injection snowmobile engine. This means no fuel is injected until the last 20 degrees or so of crank rotation – this means the injector has to be located on the cylinder head and fuel only enters the cylinder after the exhaust port is closed. This is a significant difference and allows for very lean mixtures from idle to mid range.

If you compare a CFI to a DI (which we have done this winter) at trail speeds the DI engine will get better mileage – about 20 percent or slightly more. However, at full throttle or when riding hard the difference is much less, maybe 5%. This would be comparing on any given day – please do not ask for actual mileage numbers as they change – dramatically – with snow conditions and are mostly meaningless as a comparison.

I believe these percentages are pretty close to real world activity.

Hope this helps.

Motorhead Mark

Need a Tail Cooler

Question:

Dear Motorhead,

Thanks for helping me with my question on the 03 800 Rev cooling/ beaver tail problem. Ok so you said I need to install a tail cooler well I looked and asked around and I found no tail cooler.

If someone makes a tail cooler who is it and how can I get in touch with them? The dealers and people I talked to said to add a longer snow flap or get a cooler out of a 04 sled.

I guess at this point Im not sure what to do that’s why Im asking the experts. 

Craig

Response:

Thanks for your email!

You’re on the right track! There is no text book/part number fix for your situation. I would caution you about the snow flap idea – yes, it will help but you’ll still be overheating when the snow is skinny.

Look around for a parted out later model Rev and use the cooler from it or even switch the entire set of tunnel top and tail coolers over to the 04-07 set-up.

You could get creative if you’re handy and get a cooler out of another brand and jury rig it into the rear as well.

Good luck.

Motorhead Mark

Screaming Deal on 2005 Supersport

Question:

Dear Motorhead,

I got a screaming deal on a new 05 Supersport. Nice sled and I relied on your “no bull” opinion to help with my decision. However, the ride in the moguls and chatter could be better (not much better than my xtra-10 skid).

I wanted to get into a Rev chassis but couldn’t justify the expense for 2 months of the year. A few cheap mods like a handle bar riser and raising the seat help the transition from sitting to standing but I still want a smoother skid. What’s next? A better center shock with a progressive spring? Or jump right into an Expert-x or M-10? Which of these are better?

Are they that much better than the Edge skid? Have you tried any other Edge skid mods? What about more adjustments on my existing Edge skid? Any help would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Alex.

Response:

Thanks for your email!

Here’s the deal. The SS is an economy sled – the shocks are just steel twin tube gas baggers.

If you want to improve your ride look at some Ryde FX clickers for the rear skid. They have units which bolt right on and work great. You’ll get adjustability and improved ride quality – but it won’t be cheap.

Motorhead Mark

Restoring Power

Question:

Dear Motorhead,

My buddies and I all say you have the best snowmobiling book of the industry, always interesting and informative. keep up the great articles. We love the tech stuff, reviews and mods.

I have a 1998 grand touring 500 liquid, not a lot of use yet though, only 2700 km’s on it, i was wondering what mods, upgrades, adjustments etc you would suggest if I wanted to spend a bit of coin and time on it to make it top notch in the speed and power department, I don’t run wide open for long periods but occassionally have to keep up to the buddies.

It is all stock right now, it seems to have got a bit slower than it was for the first few years, I use to get 140 km/h on a good day, now it’s maybe 125-130, it runs great, new belt, rpm’s in the 8200 range if held down for a few minutes, nobody around here with a dyno.

I live in Temiskaming shores, Ontario, I think we are around 1000 feet above sea level. I cleaned the raves already and am now using i-pone oil.

Barry

Response:

Thanks for your email!

You have described what we would recommend as the basics to restore your sleds original power. However, you may be dealing with a somewhat weary (albeit low mileage) engine.

I would suggest you run a compression check to see if the mill is still pumping hard. If not, it’s time for rings – at the very least. Your insertion of a new drive belt was timely however, I would seriously recommend you have both the front (primary) and rear (secondary) clutches serviced. This may be where your top end speed has gone. The rear clutch (big pulley) may need cleaning and sliding surfaces (buttons and bushings) replaced.

As well, your primary TRA is a great clutch but may simply need some service. The effects of time – in particular dampness during storage – often has a profound effect on the transmission components I’ve described.

Try these things and see what you get. Keep in mind, a lot of new tech has impacted the sno-mo-biz since your Grand Touring was born. Issues like weight and fuel economy have altered our performance expectations dramatically the past decade.

Hope this helps.

Motorhead Mark

Polaris Oval Star Named USSA Driver of the Year

Press Release –

While most high school juniors hope to scrounge up gas money or get a prom date, Polaris snowmobile racer Nick Van Strydonk is focused on loftier goals such as adding a snowmobile racing World Championship to his already impressive resume.

Just 17 years old and a high school junior, Van Strydonk was recently named “Driver of the Year” for the USSA racing circuit, and the T & N Racing team for which he runs was named USSA Family of the Year.

Van Strydonk won season points titles in the Pro Champ 440, Pro Sprint 600 and the Semi-Pro Champ classes and was the overall High Point Driver of the season on the USSA circuit.

Despite this remarkable success in just his second season of competing in any Pro classes, Van Strydonk still has a major goal in racing: A World Championship at the Eagle River [WI] Snowmobile Derby, the historic race contested a short drive from Van Strydonk’s home in Tomahawk, Wisconsin.

“Nick really wanted to be the youngest kid ever to qualify for the World Championship, and he wanted so bad to win it this year,” said his father, Alan Van Strydonk, whose Polaris-Victory dealership in Tomahawk is Erv’s Sales & Service. “He also wanted to be the youngest kid to ever win a Pro Champ race, which he did this season.”

Nick qualified for the prestigious World Championship at the 2008 Derby, but finished 10th in his first try for the sport’s oval racing hold grail. That finish did nothing to diminish his confidence or long-term goals.

“I was confident enough that I would make the race at Eagle and pretty confident that we would finish in the top three, but that was short-lived,” he said.

“It was [largely] because of the cold weather. It was the coldest day of the season so far, and I have trouble finding gloves to keep my hands warm… My hands got so cold I couldn’t feel them anymore and I hit a rut in Turn 1 and my handlebars broke right off. That was on lap 18 [of 25]”

But he got a taste – at a very young age – of competing in the World Championship, and he plans to return year after year. He hopes to not only match the current record of three career WC wins, but to surpass it and win the title five times.

“To win an Eagle River World Championship was always my ultimate goal.”

Early Start to Racing Career

Van Strydonk got started in racing at age 4, after him and his father discovered youngsters racing youth-sized snowmobiles on a lake near Minocqua, Wisconsin. They returned the following week with Nick’s sled and he won his first time out.

He proceeded through several levels of youth racing, and then ran in the USSA Junior classes. Four years ago he was named USSA Junior Racer of the Year and he soon began racing in Semi-Pro classes.

During the 2006-2007 race season, the Van Strydonks petitioned USSA officials to allow Nick to run in some Pro classes. He wasn’t yet old enough, but the family felt he was ready, and he proved as much by winning several Pro-class races on other race circuits before the USSA season got underway.

“The older racers didn’t want me there at all at first, but as the season went on, they accepted me as one of their own based on my performance and didn’t care about age,” Nick said.

Historic 2006-’07 Race Season

He split time between the Pro and Semi-Pro classes last season, and in January 2007 he made history on the legendary ice oval at Eagle River by winning four classes at the 2007 Eagle River Derby – Pro Sprint 600 and 500 and Semi-Pro Sprint 600 and 500. That tied the record for most class titles at a single Derby, and was a highlight of a season that included 36 first-place finishes.

This winter Van Strydonk achieved goals of winning a Pro Champ 440 race and of qualifying for the World Championship. He competes on sleds comprised of Wahl Bros. racing chassis powered by LRM-built Polaris Liberty® engines. His sponsors include Polaris, River Valley State Bank, Advance Compressor Technologies, Woody’s, LRM, Blue Marble Oil, Castle and Spy.

Pro Champ 440 is his favorite class because of “the speed, how the sled handles and the competition,” he said.

Time to Avoid the Garage & Run

Van Strydonk said few of his high school friends understand the racing success he has had so far. But with the race season completed, he’ll now spend more time with friends and the Tomahawk High School track team than in the garage prepping his race sleds.

“Right now my focus is to stay out of the garage,” he laughed. “I have spent too many months in there. Right now I’m focusing on track, school work and working. I work construction for my uncle.”

He runs pretty much any event they ask him to at track meets, and is extremely excited for his senior cross-country season next fall. He is the team’s No. 1 runner, and since the top four team members will be seniors next season, they are determined to return to the Wisconsin state meet.

Once his cross-country season ends, he’ll head back to garage to prep his sleds and focus anew on his ultimate goal, that of World Champion.

800 Assault RMK Teams with the Best Free-Riders

Press Release –

The all-new king of back-country riding, the 2009 Polaris 800 Assault RMK, will be in extremely capable hands as it gets launched, hucked, whipped and powered through wind whipped cornices and spring powder for the next batch of extreme back-country videos.

The purpose built 2009 800 Assault RMK will be ridden by professional athletes including Randy Sherman, Dan Adams, Dan Phillips and snowmobile distance jumping world record holder Paul Thacker this coming spring and next winter for some of the most talented back-country snowmobile video producers in the world.

These riders make their living by piloting snowmobiles off mountain ledges, by soaring over crests between peaks and by whipping their sleds after ripping uphill through cornices. To do so they need the ultimate combination of power, toughness and handling in some of the most precarious situations, and the new 800 Assault RMK delivers.

The Assault is a race-bred RMK chassis powered by the 154-Hp, liquid-cooled Liberty® 800 Cleanfire4™ twin. Exclusive premium Walker Evans shocks can be found on all four locations, including all new piggy-back Walker Air shocks up front. For the ultimate traction in spring snow conditions, the Assault RMK rides on an aggressive 146” Competition track with 2.125” lugs.

As soon as the new Assault became available, some of the sport’s best xtreme riders headed for the back-country with film crews to shoot videos that will be available starting this fall.

The featured riders who will be piloting the Assault for the cameras include:

Paul Thacker: In February 2007, this Alaskan braved a blinding snowstorm to set a snowmobile distance jumping record of 245 feet on a Polaris IQ sled. One year later (February 16, 2008), he re-set the record with a jump of 271 feet. Both records were set at a Shakopee, Minnesota, race track, but Paul is much more at home at high altitudes, in deep snow, wringing the power out of an Assault while launching huge jumps and soaring over peaks for the Slednecks cameras.

Randy Sherman: As soon as an Assault was made available, Randy left his Anchorage, Alaska, home and met the Compound Films crew in the Colorado Rockies. He flight-checked the Assault and gave it a double thumbs-up. Videos of his first rides – which are loaded with jumps and whips – are featured on the Polaris website. Randy is featured in several Slednecks films, was featured in the “2 Stroke Cold Smoke” videos and can be seen in clips on YouTube.

Dan Adams: This Wyoming-born Slednecks team rider is at home on deep snow and soaring high above it. He has been featured in numerous xtreme riding films and is considered by many to be the God Father of backcountry free riding.

Dan Phillips: Dan is a veteran of numerous xtreme riding films, including “2 Stroke Cold Smoke” videos, and he competed in the 2006 Red Bull Fuel + Fury competition. Dan currently wrings out his custom Polaris in the backcountry of Alaska and is eager to get aboard the new Assault RMK.

The new 800 Assault RMK 146 is current available for order during the Polaris First to Own Snow Check program. Details about the new sled – including action videos from the Randy Sherman Sessions in Colorado – as well as a dealer locator are available at www.polarisindustries.com.

Cain’s Quest Wrap Up

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By: John Arkwright

The 3rd annual Cains Quest Snowmobile Endurance Race has wrapped and what a race it was.

This 2000 km race is an extreme challenge of not only man against nature but 2 Stroke vs. 4 Stroke, Wide track utility machines against lontrack Mountain and Crossover sleds.

When all was said and done it was Team #8 – Rumbolt & Efford from Labrador City on a pair of longtrack 4 Stroke Yamaha Nytros that took first.

Less than 5 minutes separated next 4 Teams Team #21 – Boisvert and Boisvert a Father and Son team from Maine had an accident in the first 1/2 hour of the race. After being released from the Hospital they spent 5 hours rebuilding the one sled and left Lab City for the 2nd time almost 7 hours behind the other 26 teams. They finished an amazing 3rd and only 1 hour, 14 minutes and 29 seconds behind the first place team.

Another very interesting story was the # 28 Team of Hibbert and Dick who finished 5 th on Arctic Cat 600 Crossfires with only 1 1/4 ” tracks and stock Skis.

Only 14 of the 27 Teams that started completed this grueling event. Team #7 Price and Hastings of Ontario in their first try finished in 14th.

Congratulations must also go out to Todd Kent and all the staff and volunteers that worked so hard to make this event happen Well Done!!

CSRA Finals at Horseshoe Resort

Press Release –

The 2008 CSRA race season is coming to a close with the CSRA National Finals at Horseshoe Resort on April 5-6.

This year the Ryde-FX National Snowcross Championships will be bigger and better than ever with more special events for racers and spectators.

Be sure to invite all your friends to this world class event and facility.

Horseshoe Resort 1-705-835-2790 – www.horseshoeresort.com

NEW EVENTS AT HORSESHOE

– ATV Quad Terrain Racing with 4X4 ATVs. Try it!!! (See enclosed rules & entry form).
– (3) Vintage Snowmobile racing classes. Invite dad !!! (see enclosed rules & entry form).
– Free Yamaha Power Tour Snowmobile demo rides.
– See the Yamaha USA Factory Team in action.
– Free Ski-doo Test rides on the new Ski-doo E-TEC 600 and the new 1200cc 4-TEC Four Stroke snowmobiles.

The CSRA / CPRA will be promoting (2) Quad Terrain Racing classes on Sunday April 6 at Horseshoe Resort.

The Quad Terrain racing course will be a closed course with a variety of challenging terrain including small jumps, logs, rocks, snow, dirt, etc.

ATV Race Classes:

At Horseshoe there will be (2) racing classes for 4X4 Sport Utility ATVs.

– Sport 0-600cc 4X4
– Sport 0-800cc 4X4

ATV Rules & Safety requirements:

– ATVs must have a number plate and race number on the front and rear.
(Number Plates and race numbers are available on site at the CSRA concession trailer).
– ATVs must have a functional tether cord kill switch and thumb operated kill switch..
– Head lights and tail light must be covered with clear tape.
– Studs are not permitted.
– Maximum width is 50” inches.
– Cargo racks and seat back supports must be removed if possible.
– Suitable OEM Floorboards or after market Nerf bars are required to prevent the riders feet from
going below the foot mounts.

ATV Competitor Rules:

– Must be 18 years of age or older unless approved by the CSRA / CPRA race director.
– Must wear a DOT 2000, SNELL M 2000 or 2005 approved Full coverage Helmet and goggles.
– Must wear a MX Chest protector or Tekvest.
(Helmet & Tekvest rentals are available on site at the CSRA trailer).
– Must wear protective pants and long sleeve jersey or jacket and protective boots.

Notice to ATV racers:

No one except riders officially entered may ride or practice on any portion of the course or property.

Practice or warm up is limited to the designated competition course during designated times. Competitors riding or allowing their machines to be ridden, outside these boundaries will be excluded from the event.

See the Quad Terrain Entry form to register in advance at Snowcross.com